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Lord Cooper · Apr 28, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

lol thanks... really need to try and keep up with the abbreviations. im fairly new to this warrior lark. usually play as an ele... its a whole new world to me

lol

Arkantos · Apr 28, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper

is there any reason not to use tiger stance? no downsides as long as u dont miss lol

20 second recharge. You want to be able to be under an IAS all the time, so it's not that great.

MasterSasori · Apr 28, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

...which is pretty much all the time as a Warrior. Outside of PvP, it's just got too much disadvantage to use on a melee character.

Only if you play Warrior as a Tank. There are plenty of times when Frenzy is suitable in PvE, you just need to pay attention and make good judgments.

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Rangers, and probably Paragons (dunno how monsters treat them in combat since I don't have NF), can use it effectively since they're generally not targetted by monsters when there's melee and caster characters around. No idea if Paragons would find it useful, but Rangers don't seem to have any IAS that can be kept up for long periods of time. EDIT: Any IAS that doesn't require heavy attribute investment in an attribute just for that one skill, rather.

When running R/W stick with Thumper and if you want IAS, Flurry suits Rangers is better. Paragons have Aggressive refrain so Frenzy is pointless, not to mention Flail would be a better choice than Frenzy anyway.

If you do go for IAS for ranger, it is highly unlikely that you wouldn't use skills in that attribute.

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so [[Frenzy]'d be useless and almost instant death.

It is obvious that Frenzy is useless on a caster (duh?). You are also clearly exaggerating using Frenzy as "instant death." If you use it how its supposed to, there should be no "instant death" unless you use it in the middle of a mob.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 28, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Only if you play Warrior as a Tank. There are plenty of times when Frenzy is suitable in PvE, you just need to pay attention and make good judgments.

They certainly come up, it's just harder to justify it. 50% uptime from tiger stance should be your baseline- if you can't stay in frenzy at least half the time, you may as well take tiger stance and not dick around with frenzy. I'm a giant sissy with frenzy, so I really don't end up using it enough to justify it over another skill.

MasterSasori · Apr 28, 2008, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

They certainly come up, it's just harder to justify it. 50% uptime from tiger stance should be your baseline- if you can't stay in frenzy at least half the time, you may as well take tiger stance and not dick around with frenzy. I'm a giant sissy with frenzy, so I really don't end up using it enough to justify it over another skill.

Yes I certainly agree that there are plenty of times I don't bring Frenzy. I'm pretty sure Flail is better for PvE anyway.

itsvictor · Apr 28, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Flail is much better in PvE because monsters barely kite or kite to the end of the earth and pose no threat. Enraging charge is more than enough for a cancel stance in PvE.

AOTT · Apr 29, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

At this point I think all my questions have been answered unless someone wants to talk about other IAS that haven't been mentioned.

(frenzy, rush, enraging charge, sprint, berserker stance, tiger stance, flurry, and flail have all been mentioned and discussed)